BaldGOP
ABC reports on the audio tapes from Saddam Hussein's office that will be made public this weekend:
The tapes also reveal Iraq 's persistent efforts to hide information about weapons of mass destruction programs from U.N. inspectors well into the 1990s. In one pivotal tape-recorded meeting, which occurred in late April or May of 1995, Saddam and his senior aides discuss the fact that U.N. inspectors had uncovered evidence of Iraq's biological weapons program—a program whose existence Iraq had previously denied.
At one point Hussein Kamel, Saddam's son-in-law and the man who was in charge of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction efforts can be heard on the tapes, speaking openly about hiding information from the U.N.
"We did not reveal all that we have," Kamel says in the meeting. "Not the type of weapons, not the volume of the materials we imported, not the volume of the production we told them about, not the volume of use. None of this was correct."
BaldGOP
The tapes also reveal Iraq 's persistent efforts to hide information about weapons of mass destruction programs from U.N. inspectors well into the 1990s. In one pivotal tape-recorded meeting, which occurred in late April or May of 1995, Saddam and his senior aides discuss the fact that U.N. inspectors had uncovered evidence of Iraq's biological weapons program—a program whose existence Iraq had previously denied.
At one point Hussein Kamel, Saddam's son-in-law and the man who was in charge of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction efforts can be heard on the tapes, speaking openly about hiding information from the U.N.
"We did not reveal all that we have," Kamel says in the meeting. "Not the type of weapons, not the volume of the materials we imported, not the volume of the production we told them about, not the volume of use. None of this was correct."
BaldGOP
posted by KnightinBaldingArmor | 9:21 PM
9 Comments:
...or could it be that so many carping liberals fear that the tapes may show that Saddam actually did have wmd's - therefore having absolutely no credibility in attacking this president...nah couldn't be that now could it? Keep thinking good thoughts, keep telling yourself that the president lied, keep your head deep down in the ground, maybe CBS can run another "news special" to appease the liberals in this country. The short of it is - keep on making excusing and keep wining about this president, you're doing a bang up job and the American people are right behind you!!!
"Saddam actually did have wmd's"
The studies are done. He did not have WMD in this century... the century when we attacked.
"keep your head deep down in the ground"
I'm firmly in the present time. I'm not digging through news from more than a decade ago.
It does not matter if Saddam had WMD some time in the past. The problem is he did NOT have them when we were told we must invade to remove the WMD.
So I do NOT fear that he he may have had WMD in the early 90's. I don't care if the tapes DO reveal that. We did not kill thousands of Americans on a war of choice in the early 90's. We did it in 2003. In THIS century, Under THIS president.
Got it yet? Over 2000 American families destroyed and YOU think finding that Saddam had WMD in the early 90's makes it OK?
I guess any excuse will do for you.
Nice try liberal - play loose with the facts, typical liberal. As if Saddam didn't move the wmd's out of Iraq a month before we got there, act like you don't know that the wmd's that they had (and your boy Pres Clinton said that they had) could fit in a standard two car garage and could very easily be hidden in a matter of days, or buried in a backyard in an afternoon. Nice try liberal! "Last Centruy's news" - abject stupidity! Oh yeah, I just love how concerned you liberals are over American lives, tell me that you wouldn't have been jumping for joy if that guy Cheney shot would have died. Please say it liberal!
You love rampant conjecture don't you.
"As if Saddam didn't move the wmd's out of Iraq a month before we got there"
You love facts? Is that a fact? Then post the evidence.
Those theories were all explored and found to be unsupported by the evidence.
It has been established that Saddam did not have any active program to produce WMDs at the time of the invasion.
The experts who have gone there to look for evidence of weapons or weapons programs all agree.
"could fit in a standard two car garage and could very easily be hidden in a matter of days, or buried in a backyard in an afternoon."
The facilities to produce WMD cannot be that small, cannot be hidden and the evidence of their production can not be cleaned away. Our technology can find it if it existed. It didn't.
Colin Powell has stated he now believes that the evidence he presented to the UN in support of the invasion may have been wrong.
Condoleezza Rice has admitted that the evidence might have been wrong.
These are the facts. You might not recognize them, it may have been a long time since you've seen one but those are facts.
Look at what you post as "Facts"
You said: "'Last Centruy's news' - abject stupidity!"
Check the article again. What decade were those conversations the original article discussed recorded? Which century contained that decade? If you know how you use a calendar you will see that it's not me that's the stupid one here.
Simple fact. Think you can handle it?
I AM a typical liberal. That means:
I was right in the war.
I was right on the president.
I read the news and know that there were no WMDs.
I've learned that Saddam was not a threat.
I am part of the patriot minority that was against sullying of American character through Bush's vanity war.
You on the other hand are wrong, and screachy on top of it. You posts have the smell of impotent anger.
I'll come back tomorrow to slap you around some more. In the meantime work on the homework I gave you. Re-read the post and find out what century the "pivotal" conversation discussed occurred.
For extra credit, compare that century to the century in which Bush attacked the wrong country. The country that did not attack us on 9/11.
Nothing else to say? I thought not.
You've been slapped down by this liberal pussy.
You can go back to trolling for scraps of news to defend an indefensible war of choice, sold by a con man and bought by a gullible public desperate to find something to be proud of. A public who has forgotten the American values of tolerance, honesty, fair play and sacrifice.
Of course the worst of Americans are the blood-lusters who joyfully cheered this war. Even necessary wars should not be entered into without regret and shame that we cannot find peaceful solutions to our problems. War is always a solemn and always regrettable act, it's not entertainment.
We have now lost almost 2300 American lives because you needed to get your war on. Because you couldn't wait for the inspectors to finish their job, tens of thousands of American families have had their lives destroyed. Families that will now be dealing with fathers, mothers or children that have been blinded, crippled, had their faces blown apart or burned away or suffered brain injuries that will require them to be cared for the rest of their lives.
All because you couldn't stand to be teased by a defiant but weak and impotent Saddam. All because you trusted an ego stroking pandering president to give you the war-gasm you've been craving.
Three more Americans were needlessly killed this weekend you know. How did you spend your weekend? Enjoying your tax cut that might have gone to buying armor? Armor that might have saved a few lives. Did you buy a new grill thinking forward to spring cookouts with your family? Hope everyone's well. No reason we should suffer just because there's a war on Huh?
Forget sacrificing. What about a simple recognition of the sacrifice made by others? I didn't see a single post on your site acknowledging the sacrifice made, mostly by the poor, in fighting the war for you. A war you wanted. No one has posted anything indicating that they have any idea of the magnitude of the price paid. Partisan sniping and self congratulations for over a job being done by others is all I see. Not surprising.
How about a 2300 word post expressing any kind of genuine appreciation for what the poor has done for you in fighting this war so faithfully. In your own words. One word for each soldier your war has killed. It can't be that hard. Hell, it's not my blog, I don't support the war or the president and still I gave you over 1000 words on the sacrifice.
Can't be bothered? I understand. You're a typical GOPer cheerleading from the sidelines as are your leaders.
Here's hoping America soon turns it's back on the liars, the phony cowboys, the anti-intellectual corporate elite, the talking heads scratching us behind our ears telling us how pretty we are and the rest of the strutting asses that have taken control of the government. They've made a terrible mess of things and we need to turn to serious, competent and sober men and women to clean this mess up.
Ok, I think I'm done for now. This "typical liberal" has other important work to do. I'll check back from time to time though to see if you've ever come to your senses and realized how you've been played. To see if you'll ever express regret for your mistakes and if you're willing to try to make up to America for what you did to her.
No I have plenty to say, just not to you.
I haven't posted in about a week, but I did notice a few others have. I have a job and a life; I don't spend my day blogging.
I have nothing to say to you because you are what I despise about politics, you will bend twist, and turn any perceived infraction to your supposed benefit.
You just can't help counting bodies, and the sad part is, it's not because you care about the dead, it's because you hate President Bush.
As I mentioned earlier, you are what I loathe about politics!
Feel free to post under a name instead of hiding behind the anonymous tag!
I don't know why conservatives have to try to steer conversations to unrelated matters. You won't deal with what I said because of my motivation which you'd have to be a mind reader to know. You're not a mind reader are you? Then you don't know my motivation. You made an irrelevant assumption.
So why would you use that as an excuse to not to deal with what I said? Wouldn't it be more credible to attack what I actually said, if you can, than to attack what anyone can clearly see is an imagined excuse?
When questioned you fold like a house of cards with some standard excuse for why I'm not worthy of a response. Even your allies will see that for what it is.
And so what if I was a Bush hater? Is it still not true that your blog has not once thanked those that have sacrificed everything for this war you supported? That's true regardless of my motivation.
You've never once shown on your blog, which supports the war, that you've even investigated the size of their sacrifice. That's true regardless of what my motivation might be.
You don't like counting war dead but let me ask you this, do you know how big your tax cut was? Is the safety of our troops not more important than that?
You insult their sacrifice by posting the most pitiful excuses for the war... i.e. that the war might be justified because back in '95 some Iraqi big-wig might have claimed not to be cooperating with the inspectors at that time.
You insult their sacrifice by attack those (me in this case) who would remind you of it. That's why we have places like Arlington Cemetery. So we can see the immense size of the sacrifice that has been made for our freedom.
I understand that. Why don't you?
Or will you continue to paint those that ask "What about the cost?" as unpatriotic or "Bush Haters".
Well, I'll do it anyway. What about the cost? What did we accomplish for that cost? Was it worth it? We removed just one of the worlds evil dictators, one who didn't contribute to the 9/11 attack on us, who was at best a minor supporter of international terrorist and one who's major killing days were way behind him. And in his place we created an Islamic theocracy aligned with Iran.
Many of them died trusting their leaders and the people they were defending not to use them capriciously. They died thinking they were really doing what was best for America. When we now know that we did not do all we could to get the facts straight before asking them to sacrifice everything.
It kills me to think how we as a nation have treated the sacred trust they put in us. How could we make it up to them?
I guess your answer is that you won't. You won't until someone who doesn't hate Bush points out that 2300 Americans (so far) have sacrificed everything for you and that it wasn't necessary. Except that, if they do point that out, they're a Bush hater automatically and you are excused from considering what they said.
Nice system you got.
I believe I AM in fact what you loathe about politics. I'm a liberal who doesn't get all mousy when the security of my country is brought up. May you meet more of us.
If you don't have the stomach to count the bodies, maybe you shouldn't be supporting wars.
I am a conservative in academia, as such, most of my friends are liberals. I have honest and open discussions with them on a regular basis without resorting to cheap shots or low blows.
You are not what I loathe because you question this president, or conservatives in general, you clearly missed my point. I loathe people on BOTH sides of the aisle that distort and ignore.
I choose to converse with people, from all vantage points, as long as they can be open and honest about politics.
This has got to be someone I know putting me on, right?
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